reinhardt kettlebell system or skogg system?

[cardiomama]

Originally Posted by tigger

I don't have either, but have been mildly interested in both. What are the main differences?

I did a comparison of the Skogg System & RKS. I have Skogg (love it), and am interested in RKS (wanted details to see if worth getting).

Here's my comparison (someone w/ RKS can correct me if anything is wrong/off):


Skogg System

Price: $79 + s & h (Domestic: $2.98 for medial mail at Amazon, $2.32 for priority mail at Skogg site, International: $14.95 for priority mail).

Discount: none at this time

Packaging: slim, cardboard case

Set: includes 5 DVDs (1 instructional, 4 for workouts), poster w/ rotation & photos for form for 6 primary exercises. Case also contains information on the program (how to use SS, weight recommendations for both genders, level testing to determine which level user is at 1-4).

Rotation: 12 weeks long, 6 day-a-week, progress through the 4 DVDs & levels of workouts (perform 4 Skogg workouts per week, alternate Skogg workout w/ stretch workouts (2), 1 rest day)

Background exercisers & lead have excellent form

Michael cues live/real time w/ solid instruction & form. Michael is an AKC (American Kettlebell Club) certified instructor

Instructional for 6 exercises w/ KBs (32 min.)

4 warm-ups (one per disc, all about 4 mins. long, 1 min of prep, 3 min. of exercises), 2 thorough cool-downs w/ yoga & athletic stretches (each used for two discs, one is 9:25 min, other 6:25 min.)

6 primary exercise w/ KBs (1-arm swing, snatch, high pull, clean, clean & press & squat), bodyweight exercises used for 3 of the warm-ups (rotations, planks, hindu push-ups), none mixed into the work portion *Roots DVD does have 3 KB exercises for the warm-up: halos, body circles (slingshot) & Figure 8's (under leg pass.)

All workouts incorporate the 6 primary exercise but w/ different sequencing, some based on rep numbers (Ladders & Flow), others based on time (Roots & Intervals).

4 DVDs, 4 workouts on each (that are filmed as one seamless workout but edited for progressions: level 1/beginner, level 2/intermediate, level 3/advanced, 4/warrior)

Workouts duration of time range from 8:45-32:04 min.
Roots DVD- level 1: 12:20 min, level 2: 18:30 min., level 3: 24 min., level 4: 24 min.

Intervals DVD- level 1: 8:45 min., level 2: 16:46 min., level 3: 24:32 min., level 4: 32:04 min.

Ladders DVD- level 1: 11:40 min., level 2: 17:02 min., level 3: 23:50 min., level 4: 31:30 min.

Flow DVD- level 1: 8:45 min., level 2: 16:46 min., level 3: 24:32 min., level 4: 32:04 min.

Workouts are for all levels, no modifications provided but detailed instruction & form pointers. There’s shots of the exercises from side, front & top/ariel & slow motion of some exercises.

More Skogg System info.:

I wrote reviews for all Skogg workouts w/ exercise breakdowns & duration of time: http://www.videofitness.com/reviewsd...st.php?id=1246

Threads tagged w/ Skogg: http://forum.videofitness.com/tags.p...tlebell+system

Skogg site: http://store.skoggsystem.com/



RKS

Price: $120 plus s & h ($14.95 for domestic & International, some customers have received media mail for domestic shipping, others priority)

Discount: current coupon code (for VFers “VFROCKS” or Independence Day posted on RKS site “USA4TH”) for 10% off RKS set in July

Packaging: book-type case for DVDs

Set: includes 9 DVDs w/ 16 workouts, 1 tutorial, training poster, nutrition guide,

Rotation: work through the discs in numerical order, and sequence 2 rest days between each RKS workout

Instructor (Owen) has great form, background exercisers often do not.

Owen cues via voice over for all workouts (even the Challenge workouts w/ Doug as the lead), and is an RKC (certified russian kettlebell) instructor.

Same warm-up: 4 min & cool-down: 4:54 used for each workout

Different exercises (23 demoed in instructional), bodyweight (push-ups, windshield wiper, squat thrust & jump, leg lift, plank, russian twist) & KB (swings, snatches, clean & press, goblet squat, TGU, push press, overhead lunge, high pull, 1-hand swing, alternating swing, slingshot, row, lunges, dead-lift single & double leg), sequenced into workouts

Workout durations of time range from 10-36 min.

Workouts for all levels fitness, modifications/substitute exercises provided.

For more RKS info.:

Thread w/ RKS workouts exercise breakdowns & times: http://forum.videofitness.com/showthread.php?t=167148

Threads tagged w/ RKS: http://forum.videofitness.com/tags.p...ardt+kb+system

RKS site: http://www.rksworkout.com/

[cardiomama]

There should have been an option for "undecided" or "I don't know." I really like the Skogg System, and don't have RKS, and wouldn't vote on which to buy/recommend w/out having tried both (so I did not vote).

[caligurl]

Originally Posted by cardiomama

There should have been an option for "undecided" or "I don't know." I really like the Skogg System, and don't have RKS, and wouldn't vote on which to buy/recommend w/out having tried both (so I did not vote).

not for the original purpose of this poll.... i answered with my reason in post #3

Originally Posted by caligurl

well in an ideal world... i would tell people to get both, too! but i wanted this poll for the those who can only get one or the other right now! so that's why i purposely left "both" out as a choice!

[cardiomama]

Originally Posted by caligurl

not for the original purpose of this poll.... i answered with my reason in post #3

I understood the meaning/content of your original post & #3 (I did read them), just stating what I thought & why I did not vote. It's your poll, w/ your prompts/wording, I realize I should create my own if I don't like/agree w/ yours, but I'm not interested in doing that. Would be interesting to see if people who voted one way, have had a change of heart/mind or still stand by their original vote.

[tigger]

Originally Posted by cardiomama

I did a comparison of the Skogg System & RKS. I have Skogg (love it), and am interested in RKS (wanted details to see if worth getting).

Here's my comparison (someone w/ RKS can correct me if anything is wrong/off):


Skogg System

Price: $79 + s & h (Domestic: $2.98 for medial mail at Amazon, $2.32 for priority mail at Skogg site, International: $14.95 for priority mail).

Discount: none at this time

Packaging: slim, cardboard case

Set: includes 5 DVDs (1 instructional, 4 for workouts), poster w/ rotation & photos for form for 6 primary exercises. Case also contains information on the program (how to use SS, weight recommendations for both genders, level testing to determine which level user is at 1-4).

Rotation: 12 weeks long, 6 day-a-week, progress through the 4 DVDs & levels of workouts (perform 4 Skogg workouts per week, alternate Skogg workout w/ stretch workouts (2), 1 rest day)

Background exercisers & lead have excellent form

Michael cues live/real time w/ solid instruction & form. Michael is an AKC (American Kettlebell Club) certified instructor

Instructional for 6 exercises w/ KBs (32 min.)

4 warm-ups (one per disc, all about 4 mins. long, 1 min of prep, 3 min. of exercises), 2 thorough cool-downs w/ yoga & athletic stretches (each used for two discs, one is 9:25 min, other 6:25 min.)

6 primary exercise w/ KBs (1-arm swing, snatch, high pull, clean, clean & press & squat), bodyweight exercises used for 3 of the warm-ups (rotations, planks, hindu push-ups), none mixed into the work portion *Roots DVD does have 3 KB exercises for the warm-up: halos, body circles (slingshot) & Figure 8's (under leg pass.)

All workouts incorporate the 6 primary exercise but w/ different sequencing, some based on rep numbers (Ladders & Flow), others based on time (Roots & Intervals).

4 DVDs, 4 workouts on each (that are filmed as one seamless workout but edited for progressions: level 1/beginner, level 2/intermediate, level 3/advanced, 4/warrior)

Workouts duration of time range from 8:45-32:04 min.
Roots DVD- level 1: 12:20 min, level 2: 18:30 min., level 3: 24 min., level 4: 24 min.

Intervals DVD- level 1: 8:45 min., level 2: 16:46 min., level 3: 24:32 min., level 4: 32:04 min.

Ladders DVD- level 1: 11:40 min., level 2: 17:02 min., level 3: 23:50 min., level 4: 31:30 min.

Flow DVD- level 1: 8:45 min., level 2: 16:46 min., level 3: 24:32 min., level 4: 32:04 min.

Workouts are for all levels, no modifications provided but detailed instruction & form pointers. There’s shots of the exercises from side, front & top/ariel & slow motion of some exercises.

More Skogg System info.:

I wrote reviews for all Skogg workouts w/ exercise breakdowns & duration of time: http://www.videofitness.com/reviewsd...st.php?id=1246

Threads tagged w/ Skogg: http://forum.videofitness.com/tags.p...tlebell+system

Skogg site: http://store.skoggsystem.com/



RKS

Price: $120 plus s & h ($14.95 for domestic & International)

Discount: current coupon code (for VFers “VFROCKS” or Independence Day posted on RKS site “USA4TH”) for 10% off RKS set in July

Packaging: book-type case for DVDs

Set: includes 9 DVDs w/ 16 workouts, 1 tutorial, training poster, nutrition guide,

Rotation: work through the discs in numerical order, and sequence 2 rest days between each RKS workout

Instructor (Owen) has great form, background exercisers often do not.

Owen cues via voice over, and is an RKC (certified russian kettlebell) instructor. Doug leads the Challenge workouts (don’t know if voice over is him or Owen)

Same warm-up: 4 min & cool-down: 4:54 used for each workout

Different exercises (19 different exercises, thought it was 22 demoed in instructional), bodyweight (push-ups, windshield wiper, squat thrust) & KB (swings, snatches, clean & press, goblet squat, half-TGU), sequenced into workouts

Workout durations of time range from 10-36 min.

Workouts for all levels fitness, modifications/substitute exercises provided.

For more RKS info.:

Thread w/ RKS workouts exercise breakdowns & times: http://forum.videofitness.com/showthread.php?t=167148

Threads tagged w/ RKS: http://forum.videofitness.com/tags.p...ardt+kb+system

RKS site: http://www.rksworkout.com/

Thanks so much for the detailed reply! So, you don't get bored with Skogg since you are only doing 6 moves? From your description, I think RKS sounds a little more like something I'd like. Hmmm... I was holding off on both but now I want to look into them more!

[cardiomama]

Originally Posted by tigger

Thanks so much for the detailed reply! So, you don't get bored with Skogg since you are only doing 6 moves? From your description, I think RKS sounds a little more like something I'd like. Hmmm... I was holding off on both but now I want to look into them more!

I had used Skogg workouts for about 3 weeks (3-4 per week) mixed w/ other workouts and did not find the workouts repetitive or that I developed a dread factor for them. The workouts on each disc are all sequenced a bit differently and there's limited rest & plenty of work (even in the shorter duration of time workouts, you work hard), so not much time to feel bored, but others may feel differently. I mostly use Lauren B.'s KB workouts and Iron Core 3, so I'm glad I bought Skogg to mix things up. I have not been using Skogg lately due to a wonky shoulder, but will start using them again (was not injured from using Skogg workouts).

It seems like both Skogg & RKS have their pros & cons, and based on people's preferences & needs, one may be better suited for them (or neither one). Good luck on whatever you decide on.

[Pam61]

I also did not vote.

I think it depends on what kind of experience a person has with kettlebell's and their history, as to which system to get.

If someone is totally new to kettlebell's, I would get Skogg first. Even though his price seems a little higher for only four DVDs, plus the instructional DVD, you are paying for Michael's expertise and knowledge. He does a better job of breaking down the six basic moves, if you need the kettlebell basics.

After a person has had a bit of instruction under their belt (whether they've used Skogg or other Kettlebell videos) then, Reinhardt's Kettlebell system is also a good. The variety is excellent, as is the beautiful visuals (skyline and people.) RKS has the fun factor that is missing a bit from Skogg. Skogg has a genuine personality and I like him very much, but I agee with a number of people who have already stated that RKS is just more fun (but not if you are going to hurt yourself!)

Owen's voiceover cues are nice to have, though. He allows me to constantly be thinking about my form. Though, not being able to see him up close, doesn't help someone who is new to this form of exercise.

So, if I could vote for both (and money was no factor) that's how I'd do it. I know this wasn't Cali's intent, though. I agree with much of what cardiomama has said.

Pam